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Title: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on October 22, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/3635131685_JvxbDcW-M.jpg)

A look at Elements Development LLC's plans for their “Healthy Town” concept at the 28.6-acre JEA Southbank site.  Elements Development LLC. is a partnership between developers Michael Balanky and Peter Rummell.

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-oct-peter-rummells-healthy-town-site-plan-released (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-oct-peter-rummells-healthy-town-site-plan-released)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: spuwho on October 22, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
Thanks for grabbing these, when I heard Stephanie Brown talking about it this morning on WOKV, I was hoping you guys would get some of the mock ups.

Reminds me a little of Tapestry Park, except with a riverfront.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: chipwich on October 22, 2014, 10:05:07 PM
A sea of neo-stucco.  .... color me excited!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: tufsu1 on October 22, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
^ looks a lot like Celebration and WaterColor...so not surprising given Rummel's involvement
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: jaxlore on October 23, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
more town center then downtown.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: urban_Savvy on October 23, 2014, 10:41:47 AM
It would be cool to extend the Skyway from the King Street stop into the center of this development and really make it a transit destination. 
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: ProjectMaximus on October 23, 2014, 11:03:44 AM
What is "Prudential Extension" on the left side of the site plan? Is that a skyway station? Interesting..
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Wacca Pilatka on October 23, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
What is "Prudential Extension" on the left side of the site plan? Is that a skyway station? Interesting..

I was assuming just an extension of Prudential Drive to connect with the neighborhood, which I thought I had heard was part of the plan.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: pierre on October 23, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
What is "Prudential Extension" on the left side of the site plan? Is that a skyway station? Interesting..

I was assuming just an extension of Prudential Drive to connect with the neighborhood, which I thought I had heard was part of the plan.

I believe you are correct.

I wish moving the school board off the water was part of the plan as well. But according to the plan, there is a shared parking structure.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on October 23, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
Prudential extension is just an "official" extension of Prudential Drive through the school board's parking lot. No skyway extension is shown in the conceptual plan.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: exnewsman on October 23, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
 With 1,200 multi-family units, together what's already on the Southbank and across from river from Downtown - I think the Skyway to her makes sense.
A few yeas ago, Michael Blaylock wanted to do that extension but the JEA was getting no action. Now maybe this will be the generator it.
If I'm not mistaken, JTA owns a strip of property between the Kings Ave Skyway and the JEA site that Blaylock was wanting to use for the extension.
Wonder if Balanky will still build his office/retail/apartment building next to the Hilton hotels that went on hold when FDOT announced their Overland Bridge construction project.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on October 23, 2014, 12:20:06 PM
Looks like a pretty solid layout. I don't know why it has to look like Celebration, but if they get the pedestrian factor right and add 1200 units this close to Downtown, they can make it look however they want. A Skyway extension would be awesome but I don't know how that could be possible.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: pierre on October 23, 2014, 12:36:09 PM
How far is the Kings Skyway station? Seems like a short walk to me.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: JeffreyS on October 23, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
About 600 feet if you can walk straight there. However if you are on the far side of the complex and have to take an indirect path it could be 3 times that.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on October 23, 2014, 12:58:59 PM
I don't think extending the Skyway to this site is worth the expense. Most of this site is within a 1/4 mile walk distance of Kings Avenue Station already.  That walk is equal to walking from Central Station to the Landing's courtyard.

It would be better to redesign Prudential Drive into a context sensitive streetscape between the site and Kings Avenue.  If we're going to spend money extending the Skyway on the Southbank, that cash should go to getting it over the FEC tracks and into San Marco, IMO.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: For_F-L-O-R-I-D-A on October 23, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
If this happens, is there any chance Deutche Bank still comes downtown? Shipyards? Or the seemingly hundred other empty lots in Northbank?

I like the plan, but wish Jacksonville had the market to support a tower with some real density as well there.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: finehoe on October 23, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
If we're going to spend money extending the Skyway on the Southbank...

Why "we're"?  In most places if a developer wants a transit extension to their property, THEY pay for it.  If Peter Rummell really wants this to be a healthy and sustainable development, he should consider adding an extension himself.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on October 23, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
I doubt Rummell wants to do that. It's not shown in his plans. Rummell didn't make his money by spending millions on things that won't be profitable.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: finehoe on October 23, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
I doubt Rummell wants to do that. It's not shown in his plans.

That's what I thought.  Then talk of extending the Skyway is foolishness.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CityLife on October 23, 2014, 02:15:40 PM
At the JTA TOD workshop a few years ago, I advocated extending the skyway by the JEA site and then swinging it south towards San Marco. Pretty sure Lake, TUFSU, and others disagreed. Now that this site plan is ready and I've looked at the site and surrounding area, I'm changing my mind. As others have pointed out, the Kings Avenue station is a short walk and easy bike ride from Healthy Town. Extending the skyway probably doesn't open any dense development/TOD opportunities to the east/southeast. It looks like the large 9 acre COJ owned parcel to the south of the JEA site is wetlands, or at minimum in a flood zone. Pretty much everything else west of Bishop Kenny is single family. So this may be the last urban frontier east of Kings Avenue Station and north of 95 for the foreseeable future.

Given the lack of development options east/southeast of Healthy Town, I agree that taking the Skyway directly south along Hendricks or Kings is probably the best way to go if there is to be an extension.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on October 23, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
It would probably increase the value of the property if they did go in that direction. But I don't see how it would even be possible to get out there either way. You'd either have to double back from the station and go down Prudential, or cut around south by 95 and then back up Broadcast, which could be a mile of track to reach a population less than half a mile from a station already. And as others say it's not like it could spark additional development opportunities; they're already planning on developing the whole site besides the creek.

I think a better bet is for the developer and the city to do a strong job on the Prudential, Broadcast, and Riverwalk connections from a pedestrian standpoint so all these healthy people will easily be able to get to the station and the surrounding areas without having to get in the car.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: pierre on October 23, 2014, 02:33:06 PM
I hope something is done with Broadcast Rd too. It is near the urban core, a mile from the river and looks like Shindler Drive.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: BD51 on October 23, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Although the renderings and site plan look nice, it would fit in much better near the SJTC. Also, I see what appear to be 3 - 4 story buildings which certainly doesn't take advantage of the river views for the residential space. I understand the market may not be able to currently absorb 30+ story towers, but the views from The Peninsula and Strand can't be beat. Balanky built San Marco Place and should push for a couple taller buildings.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: BoldCityRealist on October 23, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
I mean, it's not horrible. Kinda fits into the whole San Marco/Southbank vibe stylewise.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: fieldafm on October 23, 2014, 04:37:22 PM
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At the JTA TOD workshop a few years ago, I advocated extending the skyway by the JEA site and then swinging it south towards San Marco. Pretty sure Lake, TUFSU, and others disagreed. Now that this site plan is ready and I've looked at the site and surrounding area, I'm changing my mind. As others have pointed out, the Kings Avenue station is a short walk and easy bike ride from Healthy Town. Extending the skyway probably doesn't open any dense development/TOD opportunities to the east/southeast. It looks like the large 9 acre COJ owned parcel to the south of the JEA site is wetlands, or at minimum in a flood zone. Pretty much everything else west of Bishop Kenny is single family. So this may be the last urban frontier east of Kings Avenue Station and north of 95 for the foreseeable future.


I remember that, but you weren't taking into consideration the ROW that was already owned by JTA, options on land held by private developers and the new Atlantic Blvd exit being constructed due to the Overland Bridge project that opens up major commercial development opportunities in North San Marco (the reason why First Coast Energy just bought a large pacel off Atlantic, with others soon following)... which is why the preferred route for any potential Skyway expansions into San Marco was ultimately placed where it was. Additionally there was never a junction built to accomodate future expansion towards the JEA site and you could not drop the Skyway down to grade by snaking the Skyway that direction (another huge benefit of the ultimate preferred route proposed)... which substantially increases the cost of construction (with no more bang for the buck considering there is a two block radius to walk from this site to the neartest Skyway station - exactly the same distance b/w 220 Riverside and the Brooklyn expansion often talked about that JTA has twice applied for a TIGER grant to complete).

The JEA site has roadway access issues and Prudential Drive still has context sensitive roadway issues that need to be solved. Those are much, much more important (and cheaper) than a Skyway extension.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: tayana42 on October 23, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
I believe Rummell and Balanky have more than a year to decide if they want to go ahead with the land purchase and develop it.  If they build something, it might be very different than the plan shown.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: ProjectMaximus on October 23, 2014, 11:35:26 PM
I mentioned the skyway station thinking it was a bit absurd just .2 miles (by sidewalk) from the Kings Ave Station. As others have said, extending to the East San Marco site would be much more worthwhile. The only way this makes sense (essentially creating another line) would be if the Elements property donates land to extend farther into the center of the development, perhaps integrated into one of the structures.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: JimInJax on October 24, 2014, 10:16:53 AM
I think this is a good step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: iMarvin on January 15, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Peter Rummell expects to start ‘healthy town’ by fall

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Healthy Town, probably by another name, could start taking shape on the Downtown Southbank by fall.
Developer Peter Rummell said Thursday that he and development partner Michael Balanky hope to complete the $18.5 million contract to buy the property from JEA within 10 days. The JEA board meets next week.

“Then we’ll spend obscene amounts of money and be in the ground this year,” Rummell said.

After due diligence on incentives and entitlements, horizontal development could start by fall.

Read more at: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=544710
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CityLife on January 15, 2015, 05:26:12 PM
Very glad to see they are exploring a name change. Definitely a step in the right direction if they are seeking to avoid becoming a senior living community.

Rummell and Balanky will be rock stars if they can break ground by the fall.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on February 18, 2015, 01:22:46 PM
Any new word on this?  I noticed a large barge with a crane tied up to the seawall in the middle of the JEA southbank site the other day.  It looked bigger and had a newer/larger crane than what I had seen working the riverwalk.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: PeeJayEss on February 18, 2015, 01:43:53 PM
Not new, but I didn't see this follow-up article posted:


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JEA approves contract for Rummell/Balanky project
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2015/01/20/jea-approves-contract-for-rummell-balanky-project.html?page=all (http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2015/01/20/jea-approves-contract-for-rummell-balanky-project.html?page=all)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on February 23, 2015, 08:39:32 PM
There is definitely something going on over by the river. The barge with crane is still there and now there is a backhoe and some other equipment sitting on the site itself.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CityLife on February 23, 2015, 08:50:13 PM
They might be doing some environmental remediation and site prep work, but still have to go through the entitlement process for the development itself.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on March 17, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Over the last week or so another, much larger crane and barge showed up over there.  I think they may be removing the remaining bulkheads and structures on the water that were left over from the powerplant.  Either way it's good to see something going on out there.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Downtown Osprey on August 26, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
New images have been released. Personally, I like what I see.

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Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: PeeJayEss on August 26, 2015, 11:01:04 AM
I like that this development will result in the residence of two mega-yachts and the local sailing of one enormous schooner.
Also, that development is basically drawn as bigger and better than Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CityLife on August 26, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
On quick glance, I think they nailed it site planning wise. Plenty of green space along the waterfront, good scale of building height and design (similar to a pic I posted of Vancouver in a Shipyards thread), walkable corridor that leads to King Avenue Station and the rest of the Southbank, and hidden parking in the rear along the preserve/wetlands. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on August 26, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
Here's Healthy Town's website:

http://www.healthy.town/

Also, there's more info on the TU:

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Estimated at $400 million to $500 million, the residential and retail development is designed to capitalize on its St. Johns River location and promises to boost Jacksonville’s economy and image. It will be built on a riverfront lot of 29 acres on the South Bank on the former JEA Southside Generating Station site, which is next door to Duval County Public School headquarters. The property now is vacant except for weeds. The partners are buying the site for slightly more than $17 million.

Healthy Town will be built in phases, according to a resolution being considered by the city’s Downtown Investment Authority at 2 p.m. today.

? Phase I — 500 residential units, 200 hotel rooms, 94,400 square feet of commercial/retail and 200,000 square feet of office space.

? Phase II — 200 residential units and 100,000 square feet of commercial/retail

? Phase III — 470 residential units and 94,100 square feet of commercial/retail.

If the DIA gives its blessing, which is expected, the project will move forward in Jacksonville’s economic development pipeline.

full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-08-26/story/vision-massive-project-jacksonvilles-southbank-comes-focus
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on August 26, 2015, 11:54:36 AM
The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

The rendering also shows the second half of the school board's parking lot highlighted as if it is part of the development.  That has been a major point of contention for this project, so I hope that means that this has been resolved.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: jaxnyc79 on August 26, 2015, 11:59:10 AM
The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

The rendering also shows the second half of the school board's parking lot highlighted as if it is part of the development.  That has been a major point of contention for this project, so I hope that means that this has been resolved.

Move the Duval County School Board to LaVilla.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on August 26, 2015, 12:04:34 PM
I'm sure we can find a mostly empty Northbank office building or two, for them.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on August 26, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
I'm sure we can find a mostly empty Northbank office building or two, for them.
I wonder if they think they're too good for the JEA building? Do they see a secure underground parking garage as a security threat?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on August 26, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
^Ha, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if JEA wants to be the main office tenant in Healthy Town?

The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

Nice catch. Now it's Khan's turn!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on August 26, 2015, 12:34:03 PM
The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?


Lol
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Papa33 on August 26, 2015, 12:42:07 PM
Don't forget there are plans to build apartments at the old Crawdaddy's site.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on August 26, 2015, 12:44:36 PM
On quick glance, I think they nailed it site planning wise. Plenty of green space along the waterfront, good scale of building height and design (similar to a pic I posted of Vancouver in a Shipyards thread), walkable corridor that leads to King Avenue Station and the rest of the Southbank, and hidden parking in the rear along the preserve/wetlands. Nicely done.

I agree. The site plan continues to look strong.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: finehoe on August 26, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
I especially like slide 5 ("Main Street Rendering").
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: ProjectMaximus on August 26, 2015, 03:19:37 PM
The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

I would've thrown a family dollar on the shipyards site and put a little rinky dink fishing boat on their docks.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: ProjectMaximus on August 26, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
Just watched the promo vid. Was the bird's eye footage of the actual site the only shots of Jax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPI6Sqyw-44
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: johnnyliar on August 26, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Wow, that promo video was horrible. Good luck attracting millennials with that garbage. Seems more like a place you would send your aging parents/grandparents.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CCMjax on August 26, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
Wow, that promo video was horrible. Good luck attracting millennials with that garbage. Seems more like a place you would send your aging parents/grandparents.

Ha ha!  Yeah I think they need to rebrand this whole thing.  I like the scale and renderings but I don't think they need to focus so obsessively on attracting the trendy Fitbit and spandex wearing, spinach and kale cocktail drinking, hyper yoga enthusiast crowd.  I think if they just let the renderings speak for themselves they'd do better attracting a crowd.  It's a unique way to market a place and that's what their trying to do but I think you're right, some millennials may see it as lame. 
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 26, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
the trendy Fitbit and spandex wearing, spinach and kale cocktail drinking, hyper yoga enthusiast crowd. 

Fixed!

the Whole Foods crowd.  (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/39/e5/84/39e5845bab65ddfe862fbd152f40c582.jpg)


Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: jaxnyc79 on August 26, 2015, 06:35:34 PM
Wow, that promo video was horrible. Good luck attracting millennials with that garbage. Seems more like a place you would send your aging parents/grandparents.

I think they know their marketplace.  This isn't some gritty district in Brooklyn (NYC), this is Jacksonville, where millennials have tended to occupy suburban gated apartment complexes with names that invoke images of green meadows and waterways.  Branding this new in-town neighborhood as having a resort quality is how you appeal to all ages of the Jacksonville residential marketplace.  Perhaps that will change over time, but for right now, that's the way it is.  I wish them tons of success, and am pleased and impressed that Peter Rummell, at nearly 70, still wants to invest the energy in pulling together a legacy-building project for Jacksonville's core.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CCMjax on August 26, 2015, 07:04:27 PM
Wow, that promo video was horrible. Good luck attracting millennials with that garbage. Seems more like a place you would send your aging parents/grandparents.

I think they know their marketplace.  This isn't some gritty district in Brooklyn (NYC), this is Jacksonville, where millennials have tended to occupy suburban gated apartment complexes with names that invoke images of green meadows and waterways.  Branding this new in-town neighborhood as having a resort quality is how you appeal to all ages of the Jacksonville residential marketplace.  Perhaps that will change over time, but for right now, that's the way it is.  I wish them tons of success, and am pleased and impressed that Peter Rummell, at nearly 70, still wants to invest the energy in pulling together a legacy-building project for Jacksonville's core.

I wish them all the success as well.  I really hope this project does well.  They are the experts and have done the research and Rummell has proven that he is a brilliant developer.  I think myself and Johnnyliar just had the same first impression of that video and I had a good laugh at that.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: InnerCityPressure on August 26, 2015, 07:50:14 PM
Every time I hear the name Healthy Town, I think of Arrested Development.  Minute marker 1:42

http://www.youtube.com/v/YVMQ48o2rHQ
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: johnnyliar on August 26, 2015, 08:47:36 PM
Every time I hear the name Healthy Town, I think of Arrested Development.  Minute marker 1:42

http://www.youtube.com/v/YVMQ48o2rHQ

Hahah same! I posted the same thing today on facebook!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: brainstormer on August 26, 2015, 08:51:13 PM
I would encourage Vitti and the school board to get themselves a great deal out of this development. The school board building is dingy and the school district has really outgrown the space. Perhaps he could get a brand new school board office tower in the Healthy town site in exchange for giving the current site to Rummell. It would give Rummell even more waterfront space and allow Healthy town to nicely connect to the proposed apartment development on the old crawdaddy's site.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: arb on August 26, 2015, 09:45:03 PM
The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

The rendering also shows the second half of the school board's parking lot highlighted as if it is part of the development.  That has been a major point of contention for this project, so I hope that means that this has been resolved.

Move the Duval County School Board to LaVilla.

Lol, the school board would probably close the street, pave a parking lot, and fence the property in.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: jaxnyc79 on August 27, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
In a jaxdailyrecord article today, there seemed to be a suggestion that there have been unnecessary delays in issuing the development rights agreement. 

Wallace said details of the project will be negotiated as part of the development agreement, while Pappas suggested the pace of the process should increase.

“The longer we delay, the harder it will be to bring this project to fruition,” she said.[/color]

What's the story here?  Does the city drag its feet on downtown projects?  I believe during the mayoral campaign, Curry alluded to too much bureaucracy in getting things built downtown.  What are your reactions to that?

The rendering shows Berkman 2 as demolished and the Shipyards as a patch of dirt and grass.  Is this the real estate equivalent to dissing a rival in the lyrics to your rap song?

The rendering also shows the second half of the school board's parking lot highlighted as if it is part of the development.  That has been a major point of contention for this project, so I hope that means that this has been resolved.

Move the Duval County School Board to LaVilla.

Lol, the school board would probably close the street, pave a parking lot, and fence the property in.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on August 27, 2015, 08:45:43 PM
In a jaxdailyrecord article today, there seemed to be a suggestion that there have been unnecessary delays in issuing the development rights agreement. 

Wallace said details of the project will be negotiated as part of the development agreement, while Pappas suggested the pace of the process should increase.

“The longer we delay, the harder it will be to bring this project to fruition,” she said.[/color]

What's the story here?  Does the city drag its feet on downtown projects?  I believe during the mayoral campaign, Curry alluded to too much bureaucracy in getting things built downtown.  What are your reactions to that?
 

Long story short, the city screwed around for months writing up the development agreement. It's not the first something like that happened in recent years, though I'd blame simple incompetence over intrigue. And yes, Curry did say these bureaucratic hoops were something that had to change, so hopefully things will improve. We shall see.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: jaxnyc79 on August 28, 2015, 11:55:53 AM
Yeah, 7 months to approve development rights...seems excessive, no?  Is DIA the bottleneck, or a broad Jax issue.

In a jaxdailyrecord article today, there seemed to be a suggestion that there have been unnecessary delays in issuing the development rights agreement. 

Wallace said details of the project will be negotiated as part of the development agreement, while Pappas suggested the pace of the process should increase.

“The longer we delay, the harder it will be to bring this project to fruition,” she said.[/color]

What's the story here?  Does the city drag its feet on downtown projects?  I believe during the mayoral campaign, Curry alluded to too much bureaucracy in getting things built downtown.  What are your reactions to that?
 

Long story short, the city screwed around for months writing up the development agreement. It's not the first something like that happened in recent years, though I'd blame simple incompetence over intrigue. And yes, Curry did say these bureaucratic hoops were something that had to change, so hopefully things will improve. We shall see.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on August 28, 2015, 12:05:34 PM
Yeah, 7 months to approve development rights...seems excessive, no?  Is DIA the bottleneck, or a broad Jax issue.

In a jaxdailyrecord article today, there seemed to be a suggestion that there have been unnecessary delays in issuing the development rights agreement. 

Wallace said details of the project will be negotiated as part of the development agreement, while Pappas suggested the pace of the process should increase.

“The longer we delay, the harder it will be to bring this project to fruition,” she said.[/color]

What's the story here?  Does the city drag its feet on downtown projects?  I believe during the mayoral campaign, Curry alluded to too much bureaucracy in getting things built downtown.  What are your reactions to that?
 

Long story short, the city screwed around for months writing up the development agreement. It's not the first something like that happened in recent years, though I'd blame simple incompetence over intrigue. And yes, Curry did say these bureaucratic hoops were something that had to change, so hopefully things will improve. We shall see.

I doubt it was specific to DIA, similar problems were pretty pervasive in various city departments. Businesses were getting held up because officials would just let things sit on their desk for 30 days so they'd go through without a signature, rather than just signing off. Hopefully things will start improving, it's part of what Curry campaigned on.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: brucef58 on August 28, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
This is a beautiful plan.  I hope that Elements will work with JTA and have a CNG Trolley run from the ASE station through the development every 10 minutes.  This would provide connectivity and make it a Transit Oriented Development (TOD).  On the comment about Berkman II being demolished and the Shipyards being bare land.  I am certain the artist could not fill the Shipyards renderings because they are copyrighted the design firm that is developing that property.

Both properties will almost certainly be developed. :)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on August 28, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
Since the theme appears to be about building exercise naturally into everyday living, there's no need to run a CNG Trolley back and forth. It's roughly a 1/4 mile walk (five minute walk) from the nearest ASE station to the densest part (the roundabout in the renderings) of this proposed development. Another 1/4 mile walk would put you in the wetlands, east of Healthy Town. Considering the apartment complex being proposed on the old Crawdaddy's site, just streetscape Prudential Drive and call it a day.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on August 28, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
Yeah, I was thinking it's actually pretty cool this is going to be within walking distance of a Skyway station.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Since the theme appears to be about building exercise naturally into everyday living, there's no need to run a CNG Trolley back and forth. It's roughly a 1/4 mile walk (five minute walk) from the nearest ASE station to the densest part (the roundabout in the renderings) of this proposed development. Another 1/4 mile walk would put you in the wetlands, east of Healthy Town. Considering the apartment complex being proposed on the old Crawdaddy's site, just streetscape Prudential Drive and call it a day.

Agreed.  I used to walk 1/4 to 1/2 mile to the train everyday for work before moving to Jax.  Not a big deal at all, no need to extend anything to healthy town, or provide any special service for it. 
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on November 05, 2015, 10:21:13 AM
Surveyors have been out there for at least the last week.  Hopefully they are getting ready to close on the property and kick this thing off.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Lunican on November 17, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
It would be nice to see these brownfield developments employ the design principals of traditional cities. Narrow streets and more density would make this a lot nicer. It still looks like it is built for cars with a few people added to the mix.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Lunican on November 17, 2015, 10:52:39 AM
For example: Why do we need a massive auto oriented road leading to the river?

(http://media.bizj.us/view/img/6814352/screen-shot-2015-08-26-at-82848-am.png)

These streets should be more like this:

(http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/071314_files/Freiburg,%20Germany.jpg)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on November 17, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
For example: Why do we need a massive auto oriented road leading to the river?

Unfortunately, marketing only goes so far. The majority of the people coming and going to this site will do so by automobile. That, in turn, will force streets to be designed a certain way to comply with the city's roadway design standards.

http://www.coj.net/departments/planning-and-development/development-services-division/city-standard-details-(dwg---pdf-formats).aspx#roadways

For example, you'll be lucky if individual lane widths are 10' each. That alone, kills the environment shown in your last image.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Lunican on November 17, 2015, 01:14:31 PM
^ It looks like private drives can go down to 20'. Kind of wide but better than 120'. Not to mention the fact that not everything must be a road for cars. Roads for walking work too.

I see a lot of dead space in their plan. Why not maximize the limited space they have?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on November 17, 2015, 01:34:39 PM
^We're decades in to designing roads for automobiles instead of people. Nationwide, things are changing for the better. The concept of Complete Streets and Context Sensitive Solutions have become more than buzzwords. Some agencies are well ahead and others. A few years ago, Jax was on the cusp of being cutting edge in this area. Unfortunately, focus was lost. Hopefully, we can get back on track.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Lunican on November 17, 2015, 01:42:59 PM
And how hard would it be for COJ to add a narrow street design standard? Seems simple enough.

They would be cheaper to maintain as well.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Overstreet on November 18, 2015, 11:20:01 AM
Who is doing the site remediation of contaminated soils?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on December 01, 2015, 09:00:54 AM
Quote
New name for Healthy Town: The District - Life Well Lived - Jacksonville
For almost two years, developer Peter Rummell has been calling his big idea “Healthy Town.”
Starting today, thanks to five people out of 1,150 contestants, it has a big new name.

“The District - Life Well Lived - Jacksonville” was the consolidated winning suggestion for the almost 30-acre Downtown Southbank riverfront property.

Rummell and business partners Mike Balanky and Michael Munz want to develop the site to create a place where residents can live “healthily in a cool mixed-use urban setting with multi generations,” according to a news release this morning announcing the name.

Munz said the five winners used a version of the word “district” in their suggestions. Their names will be released after they are notified and sign a release form.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=546580
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: tufsu1 on December 01, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
sorry but that name isn't much better. 

Plus, I'm pretty sure there is already a "The District" in Jacksonville.  It is a student-oriented apartment complex near UNF.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on December 01, 2015, 09:07:57 AM
Did you suggest a better name, tufsu?  If you weren't part of the process, you can't be mad at the result.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: tufsu1 on December 01, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
^ I'm not mad...could honestly care less
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on December 01, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
That's... quite a name.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on December 01, 2015, 09:20:38 AM
So when are they breaking ground?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on December 01, 2015, 09:27:16 AM
February, according to the news.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CCMjax on December 01, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
February, according to the news.

Name is better than Healthy Town.  I'm surprised after all that they only came up with "The District" though.  I can think of 3 off the top of my head that would be better though . . . Riverview District, Shoreline District, Southbank Square.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on December 01, 2015, 10:13:44 AM
I don't give a flip what they name the thing.  I just want to see dirt moving.  They've had what looks to be an environmental services company out there for a few weeks with a small drill rig.  Either way there has been someone out there doing preliminary work of various types for a couple of months which is promising!  I think this may actually happen ;D
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: johnnyliar on December 01, 2015, 10:18:46 AM
There is already a "The District" church and a "The District" apartment complex near UNF.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: thelakelander on December 01, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
but not "The District - Life Well Lived - Jacksonville....
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: johnnyliar on December 01, 2015, 10:24:01 AM
but not "The District - Life Well Lived - Jacksonville....

which sure is catchy....
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: KenFSU on December 01, 2015, 10:41:40 AM
New render:

(http://i.imgur.com/fYayhkQ.png)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on December 01, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
February, according to the news.

TU is reporting the closing date as April 27th and construction to begin early/mid summer.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-12-01/story/planned-southbank-mega-development-healthy-town-gets-new-name
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: billy on December 01, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
What about Kale Kreek, or YogaPants Junction?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: PeeJayEss on December 01, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
Or "Everybody That Lives Here Owns a Boat! District"
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on December 01, 2015, 01:15:40 PM
It's just, The District.  The motto is Life Well Lived.  The Jax is just to differentiate between this and theoretical future districts in other cities (that will likely already have developments named the District.

Go to http://thedistrictjax.com/
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: UNFurbanist on December 01, 2015, 05:41:49 PM
The District certainly has negative connotations to former UNF students who remember the apartment complex the district at Kernan which is kinda a dump haha. Good to see it moving forward though!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: spuwho on December 01, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
The District certainly has negative connotations to former UNF students who remember the apartment complex the district at Kernan which is kinda a dump haha. Good to see it moving forward though!

The District on Kernan has new owners and they are cleaning the place up.  I agree, the previous owners in an effort to fill the place up had set the bar a little too low for quality.

The recent shooting there was a wake up call to drain the swamp and clean it up.

http://thedistrictonkernan.com/ (http://thedistrictonkernan.com/)
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Overstreet on December 01, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
Or "Everybody That Lives Here Owns a Boat! District"

You'd get that idea from the rendering. However most would not own a boat.  I know of a condo with marina in town that has maybe 20 slips and only one boat. 
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Noone on December 02, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
Or "Everybody That Lives Here Owns a Boat! District"

+1
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Noone on December 02, 2015, 05:21:23 AM
It's just, The District.  The motto is Life Well Lived.  The Jax is just to differentiate between this and theoretical future districts in other cities (that will likely already have developments named the District.

Go to http://thedistrictjax.com/

Tides are looking good for a District RICO loop. CZ you and me. Life Well Lived.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: CCMjax on December 02, 2015, 08:01:12 AM
This project is still in the design phases.  I think I heard on the radio this morning a year until all the engineering and plans are complete.  If that's the case we will not see any dirt moving for a quite a while.  I could have heard that wrong though. 
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: UNFurbanist on December 02, 2015, 10:52:52 AM
^In the article I think it says that Rummel wants to turn dirt in Feb. 2016!
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: ProjectMaximus on December 02, 2015, 12:45:57 PM
^In the article I think it says that Rummel wants to turn dirt in Feb. 2016!

Odd because they are hoping to close April 27. Anyway, article also states site work would begin as soon as possible but buildings going vertical might be a year later.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: BridgeTroll on December 02, 2015, 01:41:04 PM
I didn't notice... but will the District be Gated?
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Tacachale on December 02, 2015, 01:58:21 PM
I didn't notice... but will the District be Gated?

They can't gate the whole thing, as there will be retail and office space.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: acme54321 on December 02, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
I don't think any of it with the exception of maybe some parking areas are planned to be gated.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Overstreet on December 03, 2015, 07:57:28 AM
This project is still in the design phases.  I think I heard on the radio this morning a year until all the engineering and plans are complete.  If that's the case we will not see any dirt moving for a quite a while.  I could have heard that wrong though.

If they are just now doing the borings a year is about right for general project. Specific buildings will take longer while the concept is developed further.
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 12, 2016, 01:40:14 PM
Rummell bought out Balanky and is the sole owner of the District project, according to JBJ.  It sounds like the timeline is also pushed back (no surprise there)... http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/05/12/rummell-buys-out-partner-in-former-healthy-town.html
Title: Re: Peter Rummell's Healthy Town Site Plan Released
Post by: Noone on May 14, 2016, 06:28:58 AM
I didn't notice... but will the District be Gated?

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