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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #151 on: April 14, 2016, 03:48:20 PM »

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2016, 11:16:35 AM »
US to retain military assets in Philippines after joint ops is complete. Kind of funny because the Chinese keep saying the islands are not for military purposes, and the increased joint movements with the Philippines is not to antagonize the Chinese. But yet each do exactly that.  A kind of diplomatic "say what we want, not what we do" approach.

Per NBCNews:

U.S. Sending Commandos, Combat Aircraft to Philippines

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-sending-commandos-combat-aircraft-philippines-n556091

The United States on Thursday revealed for the first time that American ships have started conducting joint patrols with the Philippines in the South China Sea, a somewhat rare move not done with many other partners in the region.

At the same time, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced at a joint news conference with Philippine Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmi that the United States will be keeping nearly 300 troops, including Air Force commandos armed with combat aircraft and helicopters, in the Philippines through the end of the month.

It's part of a military build-up sure to inflame tensions with Beijing in the South China Sea.

The U.S. will also begin sending forces on increased rotations into the Philippines, it was disclosed, to beef up training and to support increased military operations in the region.

Speaking in the guest house of the presidential complex, Carter said the U.S. military moves are not meant to provoke anyone, but instead said "we're trying to tamp down tensions here.."

According to the Pentagon, the U.S. forces that will remain here are already in the Philippines participating in the Balikatan or shoulder-to-shoulder combat exercises which will end Friday. About 200 airmen, including special operations forces will remain at Clark Air Base, along with three of their Pave Hawk attack helicopters, an MC-130H Combat Talon II special mission aircraft and five A-10 combat aircraft.

This initial contingent will provide training to increase the two militaries' ability to work together, laying the groundwork for forces to do joint air patrols as well as the ship movements.

Also, up to 75 Marines will stay at Camp Aguinaldo to support increased U.S. and Philippine combined military operations in the region.

The troops and aircraft are expected to leave at the end of the month, but other U.S. forces and aircraft would do similar rotations into the Philippines in the future. A defense official would not say how frequently those rotations would happen, but said the size schedule and makeup would fluctuate. The official was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

The increased troop presence is part of a broader U.S. campaign to expand its assistance to the Philippines, as America shores up its allies in the Asia Pacific. And it comes as territorial disputes with China, including Beijing's increasing effort to build manmade islands in the South China Sea, roils nations across the region.

The U.S. and others have consistently said the military exercises and assistance packages are not aimed at China but represent America's continued support for its allies in the region. But China views any increased U.S. military presence and activities in the region as a threat.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #153 on: April 21, 2016, 01:09:55 PM »
China... Russia... not all intercepts are the same...  Great analysis!

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/why-russia-harasses-us-aircraft

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« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2016, 03:54:00 PM »
Legislation introduced by 4 senators (2 republicans, 2 democrats) to step it up in the region:
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/cardin-gardner-menendez-schatz-introduce-asia-pacific-maritime-legislation-to-enhance-us-regional-leadership-support-allies-

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2016, 11:46:02 PM »
Those A-10's we left behind in the Philippines have already started patrols over Scarborough Shoal. As many remember, the PLA-CG recently kicked out Filipino fisherman so they could survey the shoal for reclamation.

Being only 120 miles from the Philippine mainland was enough to trigger action.

The staus quo is clearly under duress. Its a matter of time before an incident occurs.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #156 on: May 10, 2016, 03:28:14 PM »
It just went up a notch today.

Per Reuters:

The guided missle destroyer USS William P Lawrence traveled within 12 miles of Fiery Cross Reef just now and was met by a scramble of PLAF fighters and 3 PLAN warships notifying it to leave.

Both sides are stating their positions.

China says the US is justifying why they have to be there.

The US says that they are proving freedom of the seas.

The fact that Obama will be in Asia (Vietnam) next week may have something to do with the increase in bluster as well.

China is calling it a "blatant disregard of their sovereignty".

Just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #157 on: May 11, 2016, 09:59:23 AM »
It just went up a notch today.

Per Reuters:

The guided missle destroyer USS William P Lawrence traveled within 12 miles of Fiery Cross Reef just now and was met by a scramble of PLAF fighters and 3 PLAN warships notifying it to leave.

Both sides are stating their positions.

China says the US is justifying why they have to be there.

The US says that they are proving freedom of the seas.

The fact that Obama will be in Asia (Vietnam) next week may have something to do with the increase in bluster as well.

China is calling it a "blatant disregard of their sovereignty".

Just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

The only country "blatantly disregarding sovereignty" is China...

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #158 on: May 11, 2016, 10:01:02 AM »
It just went up a notch today.

Per Reuters:

The guided missle destroyer USS William P Lawrence traveled within 12 miles of Fiery Cross Reef just now and was met by a scramble of PLAF fighters and 3 PLAN warships notifying it to leave.

Both sides are stating their positions.

China says the US is justifying why they have to be there.

The US says that they are proving freedom of the seas.

The fact that Obama will be in Asia (Vietnam) next week may have something to do with the increase in bluster as well.

China is calling it a "blatant disregard of their sovereignty".

Just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

The only country "blatantly disregarding sovereignty" is China...

Whose sovereignty is China disregarding?

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #159 on: May 11, 2016, 10:26:41 AM »
It just went up a notch today.

Per Reuters:

The guided missle destroyer USS William P Lawrence traveled within 12 miles of Fiery Cross Reef just now and was met by a scramble of PLAF fighters and 3 PLAN warships notifying it to leave.

Both sides are stating their positions.

China says the US is justifying why they have to be there.

The US says that they are proving freedom of the seas.

The fact that Obama will be in Asia (Vietnam) next week may have something to do with the increase in bluster as well.

China is calling it a "blatant disregard of their sovereignty".

Just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

The only country "blatantly disregarding sovereignty" is China...

Whose sovereignty is China disregarding?

When they kicked out Filipino fishermen off Scarbourough Shoal, it was Phillippine sovereignty that was broached. The shoal falls inside the Phillippine 200 mile economic zone and is subject to Phillippine jurisdiction.

Fiery Cross Reef has several claimants in this case.

As noted in other posts, foreign navies have traversed the Bering Strait and we dont scramble warships and tell them to leave. They pass quietly.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #160 on: May 11, 2016, 10:27:47 AM »
Philippines primarily... Vietnam also...

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #161 on: May 11, 2016, 10:53:05 AM »
Philippines primarily... Vietnam also...

How so? Or are you arguing that their claims to these islands are somehow more legitimate than China's?

Their claims are just as legitimate or spurious as China's. But, I suppose how one interprets that depends on one's own biases.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #162 on: May 11, 2016, 11:06:32 AM »
Philippines primarily... Vietnam also...

How so? Or are you arguing that their claims to these islands are somehow more legitimate than China's?

Their claims are just as legitimate or spurious as China's. But, I suppose how one interprets that depends on one's own biases.

An honest glance at a map shows this not to be true...

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« Reply #163 on: May 11, 2016, 11:18:01 AM »
Philippines primarily... Vietnam also...

How so? Or are you arguing that their claims to these islands are somehow more legitimate than China's?

Their claims are just as legitimate or spurious as China's. But, I suppose how one interprets that depends on one's own biases.

An honest glance at a map shows this not to be true...

I guess that's why Argentina has the "Malvinas" and Hawaii belongs to Kiribati.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #164 on: May 11, 2016, 11:36:21 AM »
It just went up a notch today.

Per Reuters:

The guided missle destroyer USS William P Lawrence traveled within 12 miles of Fiery Cross Reef just now and was met by a scramble of PLAF fighters and 3 PLAN warships notifying it to leave.

Both sides are stating their positions.

China says the US is justifying why they have to be there.

The US says that they are proving freedom of the seas.

The fact that Obama will be in Asia (Vietnam) next week may have something to do with the increase in bluster as well.

China is calling it a "blatant disregard of their sovereignty".

Just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

The only country "blatantly disregarding sovereignty" is China...

Whose sovereignty is China disregarding?

When they kicked out Filipino fishermen off Scarbourough Shoal, it was Phillippine sovereignty that was broached. The shoal falls inside the Phillippine 200 mile economic zone and is subject to Phillippine jurisdiction.

Fiery Cross Reef has several claimants in this case.

As noted in other posts, foreign navies have traversed the Bering Strait and we dont scramble warships and tell them to leave. They pass quietly.

Chinese claims to these islands predate the claims of the Philippines.

As far as scrambling warships, etc - that isn't 'violating sovereignty' (it's arguably defending one's own).