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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2015, 10:03:50 AM »
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 12:20:21 PM »
Having the press ride along in a P8 right after Kerry brings it up at the diplomatic level means the US is ready to ratchet up the pressure.

Something bad will happen before common sense prevails.

The last country that tried to claim a vast quantity ocean as theirs didnt fare so well. The US did the same thing. Sent the fleet through it and they stop making claims.

What really concerns me was the Delta pilot whose flight who was in radio range of the argument. He declared his purpose so he wouldnt be mistaken as a target.

The next commerciial flight may not fare as well.

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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2015, 01:18:15 PM »
The US... Japan... Vietnam... Taiwan... Philippines... Malaysia... Australia... Singapore

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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2015, 02:12:34 PM »
More information from P-8 flight including raw video...

http://amti.csis.org/flight-of-the-poseidon-new-navy-footage-released/

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2015, 07:10:05 PM »
The US... Japan... Vietnam... Taiwan... Philippines... Malaysia... Australia... Singapore

I was thinking of Libya and the Gulf of Sidra.

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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2015, 09:48:36 PM »
The US... Japan... Vietnam... Taiwan... Philippines... Malaysia... Australia... Singapore

I was thinking of Libya and the Gulf of Sidra.

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the US is ready to ratchet up the pressure.

I listed many of the other countries who have already been upping the pressure... as for the Gulf of Sidra... I have a couple hundred hours flying through there... same with south china sea... it is all international airspace.  8)

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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2015, 08:08:04 AM »
Something bad will happen before common sense prevails.

That's my fear as well.  Or worse, something bad will happen that starts a chain reaction of even worse things.

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« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2015, 04:32:41 PM »
Going through the press appears to have worked. Chinese file protest over US Navy overflight.  The Chinese equivalent of Fox News speaks out.

Per Reuters:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSKBN0OA0DY20150525?irpc=932

China lodges complaint with U.S. over spy plane flight

BEIJING (Reuters) - China said it had lodged a complaint with the United States over a U.S. spy plane that flew over parts of the disputed South China Sea in a diplomatic row that has fuelled tension between the world's two largest economies.

Friction in the region has grown over China's land reclamation in the Spratly islands. China last week said it was "strongly dissatisfied" after a U.S. spy plane flew over areas near the reefs, with both sides accusing each other of stoking instability.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Monday China had lodged a complaint and that it opposed "provocative behaviour" by the United States.

"We urge the U.S. to correct its error, remain rational and stop all irresponsible words and deeds," she said. "Freedom of navigation and overflight by no means mean that foreign countries' warships and military aircraft can ignore the legitimate rights of other countries as well as the safety of aviation and navigation."

China had noted "ear-piercing voices" from many in the U.S. about China's construction on the islands and reefs.

The nationalist Global Times, a tabloid owned by the ruling Communist Party's official newspaper, the People's Daily, said war was "inevitable" between China and the United States unless Washington stopped demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.

It said China was determined to finish its construction work, calling it the country's "most important bottom line".

Such commentaries are not official policy statements, but are sometimes read as a reflection of government thinking.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping claims.

The United States has routinely called on all claimants to halt reclamation in the Spratlys, but accuses China of carrying out work on a scale that far outstrips any other country.

Washington has also vowed to keep up air and sea patrols in the South China Sea amid concerns among security experts that China might impose air and sea restrictions in the Spratlys once it completes work on its seven artificial islands.

China has said it has every right to set up an Air Defence Identification Zone in the South China Sea but that current conditions did not warrant one.

The Global Times said "risks are still under control" if Washington takes into account China's peaceful rise.

"We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if it were to come, we have to accept it," the newspaper said.

China's state media has stepped up its rhetoric against the United States, warning that the row over the South China Sea could hurt broader relations. But there appears to be little popular anger among the Chinese population so far, judging from sentiment expressed on Weibo, China's version of Twitter.

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« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2015, 08:05:07 AM »
Something bad will happen before common sense prevails.

That's my fear as well.  Or worse, something bad will happen that starts a chain reaction of even worse things.

And "common sense" would be...?

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2015, 11:18:51 AM »
The Chinese double down. Announce new military and navigational enhancements in the Spratlys.

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China to extend military reach, build lighthouses in disputed waters


BEIJING (Reuters) - China outlined a strategy to boost its naval reach on Tuesday and held a groundbreaking ceremony for two lighthouses in disputed waters, developments likely to escalate tensions in a region already jittery about Beijing's maritime ambitions.

In a policy document issued by the State Council, the Communist-ruled country's cabinet, China vowed to increase its "open seas protection", switching from air defense to both offense and defense, and criticized neighbors who take "provocative actions" on its reefs and islands.

China has been taking an increasingly assertive posture over recent years in the disputed waters of the South China Sea, where Beijing has engaged in land reclamation in the Spratly archipelago.

China, which claims most of the South China Sea, criticized Washington after a U.S. spy plane flew over areas near the reefs last week, with both sides accusing each other of stoking instability.

It has overlapping claims with the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei in the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year.

Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said China's reclamation in the Spratlys was comparable with construction of homes and roads on the mainland.

"From the perspective of sovereignty, there is absolutely no difference," he told reporters.

Some countries with "ulterior motives" had unfairly characterized China's military presence and sensationalized the issue, he said. Surveillance in the region was increasingly common and China would continue to take "necessary measures" to respond.

"Some external countries are also busy meddling in South China Sea affairs. A tiny few maintain constant close-in air and sea surveillance and reconnaissance against China," the strategy paper said in a thinly veiled reference to the United States.

OFFENSE AND DEFENSE

It said China's air force would shift its focus from territorial air defense to both offense and defense, and building airspace defenses with stronger military capabilities.

China also hosted a groundbreaking ceremony for the building of two lighthouses in the South China Sea, broadcast on state television, defying calls from the United States and the Philippines for a freeze on such activity.

The construction was to help maritime search and rescue, disaster relief, environmental protection and navigational security, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

Wu Shicun, president of the government-affiliated National Institute for South China Sea Studies, said the lighthouses were among the first of planned civilian-use facilities in the region.

"The reefs are located near an important commercial shipping route, so there will be continued development to maintain the security of those shipping lanes," he said in an interview with Reuters.

The People's Liberation Army's nuclear force, known as the Second Artillery Corps, would also strengthen its capabilities for deterrence and nuclear counterattack as well as medium- and long-range precision strikes, the paper said.

"China faces many complex maritime security threats and challenges and requires a navy that can carry out multifaceted missions and protect its sovereignty," Wang Jin, a senior colonel, told reporters.

The paper also cited "grave threats" to China's cyber infrastructure, adding that China would hasten development of a cyber military force.

Self-ruled Taiwan, which China considers a renegade province, called on all South China Sea claimants to shelve their disagreements to enable talks on sharing resources before a conflict breaks out.

Japan meanwhile will join a major U.S.-Australian military exercise for the first time in a sign of growing security links between the three countries as tensions fester over China's moves.

All three nations have said they are concerned about freedom of movement through the South China Sea and air space.

China's Ministry of Defence said on Tuesday it had carried out military training for party cadres from border and coastal areas on border defense, among other topics.

The trainees, who visited military combat units, developed a better understanding of the "national security situation", said a statement on the ministry's website.

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« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2015, 01:48:56 PM »
I guess having Chinese bombers fly through the Sea of Japan got some attention.

Per Reuters:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OA1GE20150526?irpc=932

Japan to join U.S., Australia war games amid growing China tensions


SYDNEY (Reuters) - Japan will join a major U.S.-Australian military exercise for the first time in a sign of growing security links between the three countries as tensions fester over China's island building in the South China Sea.

While only 40 Japanese officers and soldiers will take part in drills involving 30,000 U.S. and Australian troops in early July, experts said the move showed how Washington wanted to foster cooperation among its security allies in Asia.

The Talisman Sabre biennial exercises, to be held in locations around Australia, will encompass maritime operations, amphibious landings, special forces tactics and urban warfare.

"I think the U.S. is trying to get its allies to do more," said Euan Graham, director of the International Security Program at the Lowy Institute in Sydney.

"There is an obvious symmetry between Japan as the upper anchor of the Western Pacific alliance and ... Australia as the southern anchor."

All three nations have said they were concerned about freedom of movement through the seas and air in the disputed South China Sea, where China is creating seven artificial islands in the Spratly archipelago, a vital shipping corridor.

Some security experts say China might impose air and sea restrictions in the Spratlys once it completes construction work that includes at least one military airstrip. China has said it had every right to set up an Air Defence Identification Zone but that current conditions did not warrant one.

China claims most of the South China Sea. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei also have overlapping claims.

The Japanese personnel will embed with U.S. forces while 500 New Zealand troops will join Australian contingents, according to the Australian Defence Force website.

Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani rebuffed suggestions the exercises were aimed at China, telling Reuters that Japan simply wanted to improve military cooperation with the United States and Australia.

China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying, asked if Beijing was concerned the exercises appeared to be targeted toward China, said it was "not worried".

"We believe the relevant countries should all play a proactive and constructive role to strengthen mutual trust and cooperation between countries in the region," she said at a regular news briefing.