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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2016, 08:14:35 PM »
Another rather famous example of this is the "Line of Death" Gaddaffi claimed by drawing a line across the Gulf of Sidra and claiming it as sovereign Libyan waters.  the USN most certainly did not stop sailing or flying through these waters because of some declaration or claim.

Just that China isn't Libya - it's a lot easier to ignore a line drawn in the sand by a scrawny kid.
Not sure what you mean by"China isn't Libya".  Freedom of navigation is pretty clear and universal... Btw...the Gulf of Sidra is ocean.  I fully expect the USN to continue FONOPS for a very long time.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2016, 08:19:06 AM »
Not sure what you mean by"China isn't Libya".

No doubt what Gunnar means is that dealing with a sand gnat is a lot easier than dealing with a nuclear-tipped dragon, regardless of the "universal" principles involved.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #122 on: February 25, 2016, 10:29:56 AM »
Not sure what you mean by"China isn't Libya".

No doubt what Gunnar means is that dealing with a sand gnat is a lot easier than dealing with a nuclear-tipped dragon, regardless of the "universal" principles involved.
We dealt with the USSR just fine... worked out plenty of these types of issues.  We need to "deal" with China... hence the continued FONOPS..

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #123 on: February 25, 2016, 12:15:32 PM »
Not sure what you mean by"China isn't Libya".

No doubt what Gunnar means is that dealing with a sand gnat is a lot easier than dealing with a nuclear-tipped dragon, regardless of the "universal" principles involved.

Yup, that's what I meant. While Libya could never really fight back, China can  - both militarily and economically, something the USSR never could.

Now, I am not saying an armed conflict is something either China or the US would want, but a simple mistake could start the shooting.

Plus, one should not underestimate the Chinese' hurt pride from the colonial days.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #124 on: February 25, 2016, 01:25:22 PM »
Not sure what you mean by"China isn't Libya".

No doubt what Gunnar means is that dealing with a sand gnat is a lot easier than dealing with a nuclear-tipped dragon, regardless of the "universal" principles involved.
We dealt with the USSR just fine... worked out plenty of these types of issues.  We need to "deal" with China... hence the continued FONOPS..

YouTube is rife with FONOP videos in the Black Sea with the Russian Navy and Air Force challenging us.

The last one I knew about was when we sent a destroyer to Georgia after the Russians invaded North Ossetia to provide medical supplies.

Nothing like having a MiG buzz your deck at Mach 2.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #125 on: February 25, 2016, 03:13:16 PM »
We dealt with the USSR just fine...

The USSR was never the biggest holder of US debt, nor was it ever the USA's biggest trading partner.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/toppartners.html
http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

Both give China considerably more options than the Soviet Union (or Libya) ever had.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #126 on: February 25, 2016, 03:16:29 PM »
oooo... scary... ::)

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #127 on: February 27, 2016, 03:59:56 PM »
Per SkyNews Australia:

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/asiapacific/2016/02/26/us-the-real-prompter-of-militarisation--china.html

US the real prompter of militarisation: China

China 'really needs' its defences in the South China Sea in the face of a militarisation process being pushed by the United States, and can deploy whatever equipment it wants on its own soil, China's Defence Ministry says.

China and the US have sparred repeatedly over the past week following reports China is deploying advanced missiles, fighters and radar equipment on islands in the South China Sea, especially on Woody Island in the Paracels.

The US has accused China of militarising the disputed waters. Beijing, for its part, has been angered by 'freedom of navigation' air and sea patrols the US has conducted near islands China claims in the South China Sea.

Those have included one by two B-52 strategic bombers in November and by a US navy destroyer that sailed within 12 nautical miles of Triton Island in the Paracels last month.

'The United States is the real promoter of the militarisation of the South China Sea,' defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian told a regular monthly news briefing on Thursday.

'China's construction of military facilities on the islands and reefs of the South China Sea is really needed.'

The Paracel Islands are China's 'inherent territory', he added.

'It is China's legitimate right to deploy defence facilities within our own territory, no matter in the past or at present, no matter temporarily or permanently, no matter what equipment it is,' Wu said.

People are being 'dazzled' by the endless hyping up by US media of equipment China is deploying in the South China Sea, he added.

'One minute it's air defence missiles, then radars, then various types of aircraft - who knows what tomorrow will bring in terms of new equipment being hyped up.'

Even the US has said some of this equipment had been placed there in the past, Wu said.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than $US5 trillion ($A6.94 trillion) in global trade passes every year.

Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims.

This week, coinciding with a visit to Washington DC by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Admiral Harry Harris, head of the US Navy's Pacific Command, said the US would step up freedom-of-navigation operations in the South China Sea and that China was trying to militarily dominate East Asia.

Wu said the US was employing double standards, asking why US patrols in the South China Sea should not also be considered militarisation.


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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #129 on: March 01, 2016, 01:14:24 PM »
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2016, 01:18:23 PM »

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2016, 07:08:22 PM »
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Oh yeah, thats right.....its a combo resort/cruise terminal.

The only cruise terminal with active radar, a munitions barn and designs for revetments in case those pesky Somalian pirates show up.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #132 on: March 04, 2016, 03:32:47 PM »
The U.S. just sent a carrier strike group to confront China

The U.S. Navy has dispatched a small armada to the South China Sea.

The carrier John C. Stennis, two destroyers, two cruisers and the 7th Fleet flagship have sailed into the disputed waters in recent days, according to military officials. The carrier strike group is the latest show of force in the tense region, with the U.S. asserting that China is militarizing the region to guard its excessive territorial claims.

Stennis is joined in the region by the cruisers Antietam and Mobile Bay, and the destroyers Chung-Hoon and Stockdale. The command ship Blue Ridge, the floating headquarters of the Japan-based 7th Fleet, is also in the area, en route to a port visit in the Philippines. Stennis deployed from Washington state on Jan. 15.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/03/stennis-strike-group-deployed-to-south-china-sea/81270736/

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #133 on: March 04, 2016, 04:25:20 PM »
The U.S. just sent a carrier strike group to confront China

The U.S. Navy has dispatched a small armada to the South China Sea.

The carrier John C. Stennis, two destroyers, two cruisers and the 7th Fleet flagship have sailed into the disputed waters in recent days, according to military officials. The carrier strike group is the latest show of force in the tense region, with the U.S. asserting that China is militarizing the region to guard its excessive territorial claims.

Stennis is joined in the region by the cruisers Antietam and Mobile Bay, and the destroyers Chung-Hoon and Stockdale. The command ship Blue Ridge, the floating headquarters of the Japan-based 7th Fleet, is also in the area, en route to a port visit in the Philippines. Stennis deployed from Washington state on Jan. 15.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/03/stennis-strike-group-deployed-to-south-china-sea/81270736/

This is probably less than it appears. We have sent carrier groups through the South China Sea before, especially those transiting to and from the middle east.

Now.....if the carrier group transits 11.75 miles from a disputed reef, probably will pick up a shadow from the Chinese Coast Guard at the worse.  A radio notification at the best.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #134 on: March 04, 2016, 04:55:23 PM »
Should not be a big deal at all.  These are international waters.