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thelakelander

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #420 on: March 09, 2015, 11:48:42 AM »
More detail regarding Mullen's proposal:

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Full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=545030

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #421 on: March 09, 2015, 01:40:06 PM »
Scientifically speaking, Jacksonville is every bit as susceptible to hurricanes as Miami and any other coastal city from New Orleans around the horn and up to New Jersey. We've just been extraordinarily lucky for a long, long time. If anything, that part of the story makes it all the more unbelievable to me.

If you are going to speak "scientifically," it is best to get your science right. Jacksonville is certainly susceptible to hurricanes. However, it is not "as susceptible" as Miami. You are implying that every coastal city has the same susceptibility to hurricane impacts, which is not true. Jacksonville is actually one of the least likely places along the eastern seaboard for landfall. Historically, the highest preponderance of storm tracks passing over Jacksonville have come from hurricanes landing elsewhere in FL (even across from the Gulf). Jacksonville is about the furthest west piece of the east coast. The northbound Gulf stream is further offshore here than the rest of Florida (or Outer Banks, which is highly susceptible to hurricane impacts) and there is a significant change in direction in the stream just south of Florida. Simplistically, that is why hurricanes move west toward Florida and are often turned northeast fairly abruptly. That is not to say Florida won't be direct hit by a Cat 5 this year. It very well may be, but the probability is low relative to other areas along the coast.

All that is to say, the insurance argument is certainly legitimate. Whether it is true or not, science will not say.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #422 on: March 09, 2015, 01:44:20 PM »
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It notes an Asian-Pacific, Caribbean and European area, all of which would annually bring 25,000 visitors while creating 1,500 permanent and 2,100 indirect jobs.

The boatyard and marine, the presentation states, would bring 250 permanent full-time and 400 indirect jobs.

So 1750 direct jobs, AND they're talking about growing their company to 5000 in 5 years?

JAXPORT wants a billion dollars to bring about 2000 less jobs over 20 more years. Maybe we should just give this guy our share ($200M+) and call it a day.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #423 on: March 09, 2015, 01:52:18 PM »
Yeah, not a lot of information at all out there about Patrick Mullen, CEO of Shitaki Enterprises. We certainly don't need another grandiose idea without legitimate financing behind it. Although I do like his idea of trying to recreate EPCOT but I feel like where just looking at another landing type debacle if we went that route.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #424 on: March 09, 2015, 02:12:20 PM »
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It notes an Asian-Pacific, Caribbean and European area, all of which would annually bring 25,000 visitors while creating 1,500 permanent and 2,100 indirect jobs.

The boatyard and marine, the presentation states, would bring 250 permanent full-time and 400 indirect jobs.

So 1750 direct jobs, AND they're talking about growing their company to 5000 in 5 years?

JAXPORT wants a billion dollars to bring about 2000 less jobs over 20 more years. Maybe we should just give this guy our share ($200M+) and call it a day.
JaxPort has stated that dredging to 47 feet will result in 34,508 new jobs by 2035....or roughly 8,627 over a 5 year period. I believe the 5,000 number includes both direct and indirect jobs for all uses (yacht complex, hotel, market, etc.).  If you break down the components of Khan's and the other past proposals, they all would probably employ a similar amount at "full" buildout. If Trilegacy would have landed Fidelity, that would have been a couple thousand jobs on its own, for their project. When the shipyards were in operation, it had as many as 20k jobs (WWII years) but generally employed 1-2k for most of its years.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #425 on: March 09, 2015, 02:24:11 PM »

He says that, but I'm not sure that's how insurance works. Scientifically speaking, Jacksonville is every bit as susceptible to hurricanes as Miami and any other coastal city from New Orleans around the horn and up to New Jersey. We've just been extraordinarily lucky for a long, long time. If anything, that part of the story makes it all the more unbelievable to me.

Actually, no: Jacksonville is quite a bit less likely to get hit by a Hurrican than Miami (and most of the east coast, btw).

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/return_hurr.jpg
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/return_mjrhurr.jpg
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/strikes_us.jpg

All of the above contained here: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/

Perhaps this is the true reason why the COJ is such a fan of demolitions - mother nature won't do it for them ;-)

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #426 on: March 09, 2015, 04:10:16 PM »
Yeah, not a lot of information at all out there about Patrick Mullen, CEO of Shitaki Enterprises. We certainly don't need another grandiose idea without legitimate financing behind it. Although I do like his idea of trying to recreate EPCOT but I feel like where just looking at another landing type debacle if we went that route.

I thought the same thing, jaxlore, when I googled Patrick Mullen

The only thing that hits are the articles written in the Daily Record and a couple Linkd In profiles that don't exactly scream "$1.4B Investor".

Quite honestly, it seems kind of shady and a whole lot fabricated.  I also love this part:


The 18-page document introduces the concept,

Full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=545030
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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #427 on: March 09, 2015, 04:20:08 PM »
What's the name of the company that currently employs 85 in South Florida?

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #428 on: March 09, 2015, 04:23:17 PM »
Vandelay Industries. They sell latex and are looking for sales people.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #429 on: March 09, 2015, 04:26:16 PM »
lol

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #430 on: March 10, 2015, 12:56:20 AM »
Shitaki can't pay their multi fees but they got Billion to invest...http://www.news4jax.com/news/second-shipyards-bidder-has-osha-violations/31706094

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #431 on: March 10, 2015, 07:19:38 AM »
LOL at our reporting. Flex-N-Gate has a ton of OSHA violations too. Google the company name and OSHA and a few pages of articles show up.

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As a newcomer to NFL ownership, Khan is seeing that having a visible NFL role can raise public interest in his business affairs. Since 2011, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has filed more than 20 of notices of violation against his auto-parts empire, Illinois-based Flex-N-Gate. An operator of 23 plants around the country, Flex-N-Gate since 2010 has been fined at least $125,000 for 23 violations at his most- fined plant, in Urbana, Ill.

In an interview last week, Khan said the company's plants have excellent working conditions and that he treats all safety complaints seriously.

"I've been in business since 1978 and regrettably these things come up," said Khan, a native of Pakistan, who immigrated to the U.S. with next to nothing when he was 16.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323372504578467420078331176

^Khan's response is basically the same sentiment expressed by the Mullen's attorney. Honestly, it would be cool to see the investigative reporting dig more into what the previous Shitaki actually did, Mullen's history, what he's proposing now and how it's different from what got the OSHA fines at Green Cove, and what type of company is he currently operating in South Florida. Heck, this is the first time I've heard purchase Shipyard property at a reduced rate. This is the compelling stuff. Not exposure of a $600 fine from a previous business, while not treating the competing bid's business ventures with the same level of scrutiny. Khan came out with some great renderings last month and even though a lot of the stuff shown conceptually probably won't happen, I understand many view him as the city's savior since he's a billionaire. The RFP will probably be tilted in his favor anyway but we should at least things play out to see what's best for the city with this particular piece of property. Who knows, maybe there's another party out there that will end up submitting something quite different from both of these.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #432 on: March 11, 2015, 11:19:12 AM »
Is there access to Hogan's Creek in this plan?

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #433 on: March 11, 2015, 12:00:55 PM »
I don't believe a site plan has been released yet.

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Re: Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed
« Reply #434 on: April 15, 2015, 02:37:32 PM »
Today was deadline for proposals. Per Stephanie Brown, WOKV, three proposals were submitted. She is assuming two are Khas and the Shitake one.  She is staying to find out name of third proposal.