Khan's Jacksonville Shipyards Plans Revealed

[simms3]

I really wasn't meaning to "bait" anyone. I was just saying that the demographic in the room seemed to me to really just favor one particular argument. If anything that is the fault of young people being apathetic. But, at my table specifically two older gentlemen really took over the conversation and pushed their ideas on us while not letting anyone else speak much. That eventually reflected itself in the end discussion. Nothing very visionary or that exciting for my age group. Again, some ideas were cool and I could totally agree with, others however I just think really missed the mark and there was no counter vision.

That would drive me up a wall.  The non-stakeholders with more than a little say and the actual [potential] stakeholders either apathetic or oblivious to their potential role in shaping downtown, and not having a saw.

The older I personally get, the pickier I get with any sort of interactions with "older" people (>55 years old).  There are certainly plenty of cool older people, but I find more and more that those generations annoy me at best, perturb me on average, and offend me at worst.  To hear them all gathered around a round table discussing design/planning for the rebirth of a new sunbelt downtown that will ultimately need to cater to those <35 today in order to be successful is just a mind melt.  If it were up to me, I'd to hell with age discrimination and ban them from certain conversations/"charettes".  Lol

[UNFurbanist]

I really wasn't meaning to "bait" anyone. I was just saying that the demographic in the room seemed to me to really just favor one particular argument. If anything that is the fault of young people being apathetic. But, at my table specifically two older gentlemen really took over the conversation and pushed their ideas on us while not letting anyone else speak much. That eventually reflected itself in the end discussion. Nothing very visionary or that exciting for my age group. Again, some ideas were cool and I could totally agree with, others however I just think really missed the mark and there was no counter vision.

That would drive me up a wall.  The non-stakeholders with more than a little say and the actual [potential] stakeholders either apathetic or oblivious to their potential role in shaping downtown, and not having a saw.

The older I personally get, the pickier I get with any sort of interactions with "older" people (>55 years old).  There are certainly plenty of cool older people, but I find more and more that those generations annoy me at best, perturb me on average, and offend me at worst.  To hear them all gathered around a round table discussing design/planning for the rebirth of a new sunbelt downtown that will ultimately need to cater to those <35 today in order to be successful is just a mind melt.  If it were up to me, I'd to hell with age discrimination and ban them from certain conversations/"charettes".  Lol

I agree with you on the mind melt part. I was thinking the same thing about who this will ultimately have to cater to. I think the design team gets that and ultimately I don't think they are going to do anything stupid so I'm not too worried. They just have to do this to check some transparency  boxes and maybe have a few "ahh ha" moments. Plus, like I said some of the ideas were fine so I'm sure they'll just focus on that.

Thinking on it more though, I don't really think it's apathy from younger people as much as not getting the word out in a way we normally get info. That's really hard because basically if we don't follow your organization on social media or these message boards we don't find out because most realistically don't read the T-U or daily record. Its tough and really is a hard nut to crack getting young people from the area informed and involved.

[CCMjax]

What is the likelihood of all these major projects at least starting in the next 2 years?

-Clean up of the shipyards
-Laura Street Trio
-Barnett Building
-Landing redesign
-Healthy Town

I'm afraid that if only one of them happens at a time it may not create enough momentum or push to get downtown over that hump.

[thelakelander]

You want an honest answer?  Zero! Barnett is in foreclosure....

[CCMjax]

You want an honest answer?  Zero! Barnett is in foreclosure....

Ah yes, ok minus the barnett?

[For_F-L-O-R-I-D-A]

You want an honest answer?  Zero! Barnett is in foreclosure....

Well, the quickness of the foreclosure proceedings will determine this as well. Hopefully Khan's team seeks ownership of the building and both sides can agree to that in full payment of debt. However, if they can't agree on that, it could be awhile.

[ProjectMaximus]

IMO:

-Clean up of the shipyards - 20%
-Laura Street Trio - 20%
-Barnett Building - 20%
-Landing redesign - 0%
-Healthy Town - 50%

20% x 20% x 20% x 0% x 50% = 0%

Removing the Landing as well... = .4%, or slim to none, just for those four things.

[CCMjax]

IMO:

-Clean up of the shipyards - 20%
-Laura Street Trio - 20%
-Barnett Building - 20%
-Landing redesign - 0%
-Healthy Town - 50%

20% x 20% x 20% x 0% x 50% = 0%

Removing the Landing as well... = .4%, or slim to none, just for those four things.

hmm .4% . . . . . . so you're saying there's a chance???   Sorry, Dumb and Dumber moment and I couldn't resist.

[downtownbrown]

Shipyards clean up: 100%
Healthy Town: 100%
Everything else: Meh.

[ProjectMaximus]

hmm .4% . . . . . . so you're saying there's a chance???   Sorry, Dumb and Dumber moment and I couldn't resist.

And I think I'm being optimistic. 

[heights unknown]

I really wasn't meaning to "bait" anyone. I was just saying that the demographic in the room seemed to me to really just favor one particular argument. If anything that is the fault of young people being apathetic. But, at my table specifically two older gentlemen really took over the conversation and pushed their ideas on us while not letting anyone else speak much. That eventually reflected itself in the end discussion. Nothing very visionary or that exciting for my age group. Again, some ideas were cool and I could totally agree with, others however I just think really missed the mark and there was no counter vision.

You should have raised your hand and gave them your vision, ideas, etc. Jax needs fresh, young ideas rather than Spanish moss off the oak trees, and "the south will rise again," type of ideas. (respectfully of course...please don't brand me because of my color)....or my age (I'm 58, but think like I'm 28...I guess I'm a dime a dozen)

[downtownbrown]

So the new rumor is that Lamping is now out there saying that Khan is "still willing" to do the Shipyards, but there seems to be a lot more of "Meh..." in the statement.  Apparently Khan isn't getting what he wants from the city.

Anyone know anything that could substantiate that?

[Tacachale]

^If that's true, I'd reckon that he was really banking on the soft deal Brown was offering all along. If so, it says a lot about what we'd be expected to hand over.

Same deal with Sleiman's Landing proposal. That's going to look a lot different now that he won't be getting quite so many millions for such a bland project.

[The_Choose_1]

So the new rumor is that Lamping is now out there saying that Khan is "still willing" to do the Shipyards, but there seems to be a lot more of "Meh..." in the statement.  Apparently Khan isn't getting what he wants from the city.

Anyone know anything that could substantiate that?

Tell Khan and the NFL to stuff it! Hey Khan give us a winning team this season and then the Tax payers will talk?

[hiddentrack]

So the new rumor is that Lamping is now out there saying that Khan is "still willing" to do the Shipyards, but there seems to be a lot more of "Meh..." in the statement.  Apparently Khan isn't getting what he wants from the city.

Anyone know anything that could substantiate that?

Based on an interview with Lamping last month, my first guess would be that things seem to be moving at a slow pace.

I haven't noticed anything new about the environmental study since last month. The only real news since then was the $17.5 million for environmental remediation in Curry's preliminary budget. No mention if that's enough to cover all the work.